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Ben Carson for President ... or Disrespectful to the President?

One headline comes from the Wall Street Journal, the other from a panel discussion on CNN. What do you think — amazing speech or politically incorrect?

 

The big buzz that came out of the National Prayer Breakfast last week was not what you might expect, unless you were expecting a potential 2016 presidential nominee to emerge. That appears to be what happened, according to the Wall Street Journal in an article titled "Carson for President." However, not everybody feels that way about the guest speaker, Dr. Benjamin Carson.

According to his bio, Carson raised himself up from being a troubled youth to becoming the director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital at age 33. And while he has an amazing life story, it was his criticism of the president’s policies that has caused such a buzz.

While many on the right are hailing him as the potential savior of the GOP, others are criticizing his speech, saying his criticism of the president’s policies when he was less than 5 feet from him were inappropriate and disrespectful. While the division is almost down party lines, there are some on the right who do agree the National Prayer Breakfast is supposed to be a time of unity, not a time for politics. The issue has been debated by many, including a panel on CNN and The Five on Fox News.

Republicans who see Carson as a presidential hopeful, however, may not be happy to hear his party affiliation — he has none. When interviewed over the weekend, Carson said he is probably an Independent, but if there were such a thing as the Party of Logic, he would be a member.

What do you think? Was the National Prayer Breakfast the right venue for Carson’s comments? And secondly, could someone like this come out of nowhere and even stand a chance in a 2016 presidential run?

Related Topics: Ben Carson for President, National Prayer Breakfast, and question of the day

JH Wilson

11:45 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Why should telling the truth offend the President

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Prisca Villa

11:45 am on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Totally appropriate when the President does not make himself available for such commentary anywhere else. I am not Carson would make it as a presidential candidate just yet, but who knows what the climate will be like in 4 years? We need people like him to get this country back on track! Good for him speaking out!

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Good Grief Y'all

12:26 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

No, the National Prayer Breakfast was not the time and place for political comments, evidently from someone seeking to elevate his own national status. Much of his speech was opportunistic self promoting.

Dr. Carson should have read this Scripture passage before his speech: Ecclesiastes 3:1-15, . . . A Time for Everything

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Chris P

4:39 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Its always appropriate to speak the truth. Dr Carson was absolutely correct in both timing and in content.

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Good Grief Y'all

6:34 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Tell that to someone who agrees with you Mr. P.

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r patton

11:43 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Another "everything" expert rears his head. LMAO

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Frank T

1:30 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

maybe he should have checked with you first!

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Good Grief Y'all

7:05 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

I know, r pat, that Chris P is something else in the self-appointed expert dept.

@ Frank T, Dr. Carson should have checked with the organizers again before he went against their rules and broke tradition and decorum. He also should have checked his Bible . . . "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven . . . " He has self-indulgent timing.

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Chris P

8:44 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

GGY you seem to have a problem when people speak their mind!!! I understand that you disagree with my point of view the name calling is getting a little childish.

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Good Grief Y'all

3:07 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Mr. P, I have no problem at all when people speak their minds, unless they do it in attack mode against another poster, which you have done toward me. Spout your wisdoms all day long, it makes no nevermind to me, but do expect anyone who chooses, including me, to have a response. Show me where I have called you or anyone else a name. Isn't Mr. P your name? I can show you where you and many others have called me names, hurled insults, tried their hands at humiliation, written personal and even vulgar stuff directed at me and others. Please, quote some examples where I have done that. Famous people don't count.

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Chris P

4:17 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

GGY
Please show me where I have called YOU a name or referred to YOU in a vulgar manner!!!
As for an attack mode, that certainly describes the majority of your comments.
Example:
"Good Grief Y'all

6:34 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Tell that to someone who agrees with you Mr. P."

Looks like an attack to me or at the least an attempt to be confrontational. By the way I don't mind a robust debate and its OK with me if you get emotionally caught up in it.

I do strongly object when I'm falsely accused especially when its an attempt to deflect from your own shortcomings. If you have a thin skin then maybe this forum isn't for you.

By the way you tried to link my last name to Palin, which from your perspective is an attempt (a very weak one) at name calling. Quite frankly I took that as a compliment. :-)

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Good Grief Y'all

7:27 am on Friday, February 15, 2013

Chris P, my statement was inclusive of you and others. I didn't specifically say that you got vulgar, just the insulting part, and the name calling, but several others have.

You said something that sounded like Palin, but you say you consider the comparison a compliment, so that doesn't count, does it? That isn't name calling - a weak accusation from you. Besides, you admire her, right?

You said, "are you just here to demonstrate your ignorance?" in one comment to me - qualifies as an insult. As for my "Tell that to someone who agrees with you Mr. P.", that was my reply to your reply to my comment - does not qualify as an attack.

In this: "I understand you are a liberal and liberal ideology appears to trump common sense.", you label me and you infer I have no common sense - judgment and insult, in that order. Not everyone who has differences with conservatives is a liberal (not that there's anything wrong with that), but coming from a conservative "liberal" is always applied as an insult. And, you said: "an attempt to deflect from your own shortcomings.: - more judgment and insult.

I do believe it is you, sir, who is sensitive. I don't have thin skin. I have taken a lot of guff from the group. I rarely get emotional reading and commenting on these threads, so don't transfer your hot-headedness to me. You're the one using all caps and lots of !!!!!

I don't name call. It's not my style.

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Chris P

8:44 am on Friday, February 15, 2013

Tell that to someone who agrees with you GGY.

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Good Grief Y'all

12:54 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

Awwww . . . Mr. P, hard feelings still? Not sensitive? Unable to admit when wrong?
It's okay.

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Chris P

1:11 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

Nope GGY just calling them like I see them!!!!
Have nice day!!!!

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Good Grief Y'all

2:04 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

Back atcha, Chris P!!!!

Thanks and you, too!!!!

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r patton

12:25 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Ahhhhh .................. good old Good Grief Y'all carries King obama's ideas again.

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Sharon Swanepoel

12:26 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

I think an argument can be made for the correct time and place, but I can't help but be amazed at the back story to the Carson family. Both the doctor and his brother are incredibly successful people and much of it can be attributed to their mother. What a remarkable woman! Both her sons went on to be highly contributing individuals to our world. She must be very proud of her contributions to humanity.

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Good Grief Y'all

1:20 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Sharon, I agree - great American bootstraps story. Too bad more don't have mothers like her.

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Good Grief Y'all

6:33 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

. . . and some highly successful people were raised by loving grandmothers.

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Brian Crawford

8:02 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

I have to admit, it's a great story. One might even say it's a "well crafted" story, I'd be curious to see how much of it holds up under the scrutiny of a Presidential campaign. Carson never talks about public, or private, assistance. Understanding his mother's situation and the time Carson was raised in, it's improbable that she was able to raise her sons without charity of some sort. I'd like to see those questions asked and answered. I would also like to hear more about his mother's struggle with alcoholism and how she was able to overcome her addiction. Does anybody know of any interviews with the mother?

Tim

2:14 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Dr. Carson Gave the correct speech at the correct time. No one else had the courage to stand up and say what he said with the tact that he used. Personally, I have NO respect whatsoever for this imposter in the WH. I believe he is a Traitor and worse and should be Impeached.......actually this is going to be started around March 11. Socialist, Marxist, Islamist Sympathizer, Anti-American, Apologist, disgusting excuse for a President.

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tsfelt

3:57 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Since Obama doesn't see fit to explain himself on Benghazi, the economy , his "executive orders", his illegal appointments, or anything else, then he completely deserved what Dr. Carson gave him, and he deserved it in a very public setting. The man thinks he is too good to expalin himself to the American people, betting on the fact that the "sheeple" that elected him remain ignorant and uninformed. The man is an embarrassment to the USA, and impeachment proceeding should have begun Nov. 7. Truth be told, he never should have been on the ballot in 2008, but his ability to dodge the truth is admittedly second to none.

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David Brown

4:54 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Cal Thomas is one of the most conservative syndicated columnists, pundits, authors and radio commentators of our time. Read his take on Dr. Carson's comments before the National Prayer Breakfast. He feels Dr. Carson should apologize. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/02/12/dr-ben-carson-should-apologize-to-president-obama/

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

8:56 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013

This link is one for the books tonight, Just how close is that asteroid?

Tammy Osier

6:47 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

I think a prayer breakfast is the perfect time. You all may not have listened to the whole thing, but I did. He spoke about the decline of morality and the things that its decline has wrought. Those are things that our country needs to be in prayer about - he spoke the truth about it. Tonights address will sound like a party with people grinning and having a high old time. Their dresses and suit may cost in the thousands. We will hear how fine everything is and then the same speech that we've heard 3 times will be given. Jobs council. We need jobs etc... but be honest about what is wrong, give us a plan that doesn't involve taking more money from the people when we haven't seen any fruit from the first trillion. There needed to be a public time where the serious issues are addressed and confronted. In the bible, there was a time to take a whip into the place of worship and turn over a few tables. The American people deserve better. They deserve honestly, and Dr. Carson is just that.

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tsfelt

6:50 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Well said, Tammy.....Thank You

Good Grief Y'all

6:53 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

I hope other folks will look at David Brown's link. That article was written by someone who has attended these events since 1971. The speakers are asked by the event organizers to "steer clear" of political comments. Dr. Carson did go rogue, ala Sarah P. From the article:

" . . . the National Prayer Breakfast is billed as one of the few nonpolitical events in a very political city. Each year, the co-chairs, one Democrat and one Republican from either the House or Senate, put aside their political differences, as they do in weekly gatherings, to pray for the nation's leaders." And . . .

"Our politics have become so polarized and corrupted that a president of the United States cannot even attend an event devoted to drawing people closer to God and bridge partisan and cultural divides without being lectured about his policies."

I am glad Dr. Carson is a medical doctor and not a theologian.

President Obama is a magnanimous guy. He has already moved on from the chatter.

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tsfelt

7:01 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

1.) He's not my president.
2.) How can you "move on" from something you've never participated in? He doesn't discuss, he issues his proclamations to us minions as though we're not worthy of his time. He's a joke as a man and as a president.

That being said, I actually agree that while it may not have been the most appropriate place to address his concerns, Dr. Carson took advantage of a perfect opportunity to make his voice heard, where it counts....in front of the national media.
Otherwise, the lame stream media would bury his comment so deep we would have never heard about it.

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newtopatch

7:20 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Regarding point 1...unfortunately he is my president.
Regarding point 2...perfectly said

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Good Grief Y'all

7:28 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

He's the President of all US citizens. So, you must not be a citizen, tsfelt.

The President doesn't linger on political chatter . . . he was probably uncomfortable during the event, but he has moved on from the chatter the misplaced speech has generated. It's not his job to engage in silly political debates and discussions except when campaigning. He holds regular press conferences where he is asked all manner of stupid questions, and he answers them.

Yes, he did - Dr. Carson took advantage.

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Chris P

8:50 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Tell that to someone who agrees with you GGY.

Tammy Osier

7:37 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Here's just one excerpt out of his speech:
"When I pick up my Bible, you know what I see? I see the fairest individual in the Universe, God, and he’s given us a system. It’s called tithe. Now we don’t necessarily have to do it 10% but it’s principle. He didn’t say, if your crops fail, don’t give me any tithes. He didn’t say, if you have a bumper crop, give me triple tithes. So there must be something inherently fair about proportionality. You make $10 Billion dollars you put in a Billion. You make $10 you put in $1 – of course, you gotta get rid of the loopholes, but now now some people say, that’s not fair because it doesn’t hurt the guy who made $10 Billion dollars as much as the guy who made $10. Where does it say you have to hurt the guy. He’s just put in a billion in the pot. We don’t need to hurt him. It’s that kind of thinking – it’s that kind of thinking that has resulted in 602 banks in the Cayman Islands. That money needs to be back here, building our infrastructure and creating jobs – and we’re smart enough – we’re smart enough to figure out how to do that."
He talked about health savings acounts. I like the wisdom of the solutions he offers. I like how passionate he is about education .

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tsfelt

7:45 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

And I'd be willing to bet he would proudly provide any and all school transcriptts requested of him. :)

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Tammy Osier

8:23 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Ts - like Herman Cain, if this man ran, I'm sure the left will find dirt to knock him out even if they have to plant something. There is a new rise of true conservatism (Dr. Carson is neither democrat or republican) and the establishment will not hear of it (on either side). It's not a coincidence that these men keep rising up and making speeches that strike a chord with Americans hungry for true leadership that doesn't bow to interest groups and can't be bought for votes.

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Tammy Osier

9:59 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013

Here is why I don't see anything wrong with mixing politics at the national prayer breakfast- One affects the other so it almost, at a time of reflection in a political place, makes them interchange with one another.
Dr. Carson said...
"...This is my fourth speech this week. and I have an opportunity to talk to a lot of people. And I’ve been asking people what concerns you? What are you most concerned about in terms of the spirituality and the direction of our nation and our world? And I’ve talked to very prominent democrats, very prominent republicans. And I was surprised by the uniformity of their answers. And those have informed my comments this morning."

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Allen Burnett

1:12 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Is there anything more hypocritical than the head of the God-denying democrat party at a prayer breakfast? Dr. Carson will be the next President.

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aissatou

4:32 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Throwing snowballs and it is hot!!! Wonderful inspirational story. Fantastic strides in his profession;Graduate of Yale U.; for those who keep disrespecting current Commander in Chief, must be planning on a major move to another country; Explaiing B. will bring back those who were murdered how? If you can not anticipate the tragedy of their deaths than how can you safely say that you can prevent it from happening again, unless their is a psychic among us? If we did not impeach Tricky Dick or any of the others, what earthly, because no one on another planet would even go this far, do we think we can willy nilly impeach him; unless, we expected him to clean up what has been dirty since the first president and because he has not been able to and move out of the white house as originally expected so that a Republican can claim that it was the former President who caused everything while enjoying the pleasure or reaping the title, not needing the money and forcing everyone else without money to suffer, than I think we all had better either pack up or shut up till the next term comes around. We continue to act and communicate like children who are still pouting and not adults who occupy a nation, could have been a good one, not even near a great one and mostly because of those who prey/pray on it with the main purpose of making this president a scape goat. Dr. Carson, as someone who does not even have a political party should have respected the occasion and not opportunity.

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Tammy Osier

6:27 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I guess the best thing to ask is "What would Billy Graham do?" He wouldn't get political per se, but he would address the moral decline which is obvious.

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Keisha Hall

7:11 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Contrary to what many of you believe, there IS such a thing as inappropriate timing. That was a time to put down all the political artillery and come together PEACEFULLY, with fellow Americans and God and pray. Anyone who believes and has faith in God, should be able to appreciate/respect that concept.

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Wade

7:44 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

He leaves our so-called "president" in the dust! This mild mannered Dr. is more of a patriot than most of our nation's people today. He most likely would make a superior president. It is understandable why obama was a little aggravated, but that doesn't alter the fact that Dr. Carson was right. He ate obama 's lunch!

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Jimmy Orr

7:53 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Dr. Carson exposed the imposter in the White House for what he is. A phony. A better definition Wade, in my opinion, would be that Dr. Caeson "cleaned Obama's clock" or as one would say in football, "he decleated him."

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Brian Crawford

8:29 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Carson's comments were partisan, divisive, rude and out of place at an event designed to bring our nation closer to God. I hope the organizers think twice before offering him a future invitation. If I were President Obama I wouldn't waste my time time attending another. His time would be better spent alone in prayerful reflection.

That wasn't the time or place for a clock cleaning Jimmy. You and Carson would be well served to spend a little more time in your Bibles. Not only did God command us to tithe but he also commanded that when we harvest our fields we leave a portion for the poor,

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John B

8:35 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

partisan, divisive, rude....you just described your president.............

Good Grief Y'all

9:11 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Big surprise . . . Dr. Carson is retiring from medicine in June. Politics or more books? Both? He was grandstanding at the National Prayer Breakfast. There are lots of successful people who could have spoken there, people from modest beginnings who made their own way, with or without the help of inspirational parenting, who would not have broken the tradition and the purpose of the event. Although, like Dr. Carson, they would not be declared Republicans. You guys don't have good speakers. Maybe you should work on that for 2016. Or not . . . I don't wish you any luck with that.

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Mr. B

9:16 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

There is always quite a contrast between a man that is capable of thinking for himself and a puppet. And those that love puppet shows always defend the puppet. Strange behavior.

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Good Grief Y'all

10:04 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

A puppet? I thought you guys say the President is a dictator, a tyrant.

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Mr. B

10:56 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Not the president. his handlers. The president isn't smart enough to have a coherent thought. But he looks good and reads well.

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Good Grief Y'all

11:29 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

No, no, Mr. B. You were very clear about the puppet:

"And those that love puppet shows always defend the puppet"

Not smart enough . . . successful author, attorney (like yourself?), former Senator, President of the Harvard Law Review, twice elected POTUS . . . let's see, what else . . . that'll do it. And, he's smart enough to know he can't govern alone. He needs Congress to earn their keep.

He does look good, reads well, writes well, delivers well.

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Mr. B

11:47 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

You answered your own question GGY. However, you don't seem to grasp the concept that you worship the puppet and don't realize the guy can't form a thought without his handlers.

Successful author? Ghost written.
Attorney? Never passed the bar much less practiced. Nothing like me. I actually practiced full time for years and still practice part time. I have assisted more than 7K families with adoptions. I actually help people versus enslave them.
Former Senator and POTUS? That's my point. Puppet.

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Good Grief Y'all

12:15 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

No, B, I answered your comment. And, what about that no taxation authority in the Constitution - "you won't find it there"?

You need to put this in that Myth folder you should create:
"Yes, he did pass the bar, and became both a lawyer and an adjunct professor of law. He taught law." Passed the Illinois State Bar in 1990, first try, right after earning his JD.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_President_Obama_pass_bar_exam_on_1st_try

Ghostwriter? Right-wing conspiracy theory. Editorial help? Standard practice.

Mr. B, your credibility is taking a hit.

I worship only God, my Lord and Savior. Thou shalt not judge.

I've never even read the President's books. Guess I better get crackin' if I'm going to live up to my "worshiper" status.

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Good Grief Y'all

12:47 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

Hello, Mr. B. You did say, "I can't answer you until April GGY."

I guess this latest post from you indicates you really don't think I'm an idiot, as in "sparring with" ;)

I don't make idiotic statements, which is what really bothers you (and a few others) about me. I am always free . . . your permission isn't needed.

Thanks for the invite, but I'll pass. I wouldn't want to distract you from what you should be praying for . . . forgiveness, redemption, wisdom to know that insulting others isn't Christ-like . . . things like that.

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The Dish

9:25 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Mr. B-

Thanks for your service of facilitating the adoption process. Too bad there aren't more lawyers like you out there.

Jimmy Orr

9:22 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Brian, Obama can high-five, he can juke, he can jive, but he can't deliver. The past four years should be indicative of this. The upcoming four years will be much of the same. More government and more taxes will not create jobs. Obama did nothing more Tuesday evening than waste valuable air time on our TV networks. Hey, how did you like what Senator Rubio had to say in rebuttal? Rubuio/Carson. Now that would be a team.

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Mr. B

9:29 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Dang! He was on LAST night? I watched the Westminster Dog Show.

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Good Grief Y'all

10:06 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

As in shuck 'n jive?

Rubio was a childish joke of a contrast. I'm glad Dr. Carson isn't a minister of the gospel.

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Chris P

11:33 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

The only one acting childish and shucking and jiving is this President. He could learn quite about economics, healthcare and life in general from Dr Carson!!

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Good Grief Y'all

11:55 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Chris, does that P stand for Palin by any chance?

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Chris P

12:00 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

GGY care to respond to my comment or are you just here to demonstrate your ignorance? By the way the "P" does not stand for Palin although I hold Governor Palin in high regard!!

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Good Grief Y'all

12:18 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

P, I did respond to your comment:
"Chris, does that P stand for Palin by any chance?"

Sarah P has her fingerprints all over your posts :D

lkmonty

10:37 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Carson was hugely politically incorrect. He would be a poor candidate for either party. Choosing a prayer breakfast to espouse his views shows bad judgment. There is a time and place for everything.

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Elizabeth

10:49 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Does anyone know if/where a transcript of Dr. Carson's speech has been published?

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Sharon Swanepoel

11:06 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

I'm not sure of a transcript Elizabeth, but if you click on the photo on this story it will take you to the YouTube video of his speech - but it is about 30 minutes long.

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r patton

11:48 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Youtube, FOXNEWS online and abut 50 other places.

r patton

11:45 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

Sorry Good Grief, obama is NOT my President

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Chris P

12:43 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

GGY
I understand you are a liberal and liberal ideology appears to trump common sense.
First to say that "Sarah P has her fingerprints all over your posts " is to me a compliment. So thank you for the compliment!! :-)
You feel Dr Carson was disrespectful and I say he was courageous and eloquent in speaking the truth.

If you want to talk about disrespectful you need look no further than past State of the Union addresses where this President openly criticized members of the Supreme Court for their decision.

This President along with his compliant media have tried at every turn to snuff out and discredit open debate. That is a shame because we have a President who has demonstrated time and time again that he has no respect for the Constitution, the Congress or the hard working tax paying citizens of this country!!

Dr Carson's speech was a breath of fresh air and reason. Perhaps President Barack Hussein Obama could learn much from Dr Carson. He certainly could learn about economics, healthcare and common sense in general. He could learn that he should not be punishing those who are successful by increasing their tax burden. A very interesting point that Dr Carson brought out that God asks us to tithe 10%. There is no progressive tithe rate. If its good enough for God why is it not good enough for the government?

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Good Grief Y'all

9:54 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

You're not serious. You're just defensive. Maybe seriously defensive.

Tammy Osier

5:12 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

For those who say he espoused his own views, here it is again where he got his ideas:
Dr. Carson said...
"...This is my fourth speech this week. and I have an opportunity to talk to a lot of people. And I’ve been asking people what concerns you? What are you most concerned about in terms of the spirituality and the direction of our nation and our world? And I’ve talked to very prominent democrats, very prominent republicans. And I was surprised by the uniformity of their answers. And those have informed my comments this morning."

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CrismaFire

10:49 pm on Wednesday, February 13, 2013

He asked God before he gives a speech and if God told him what to say then how dare Cal Thomas think he knows more then God. I emailed Cal about his liberal thinking can't believe Fox has stooped so low that is why I stopped watching that liberal news.

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David Brown

8:38 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

CrismaFire, you're the first person I've ever heard who actually considers Cal Thomas and Fox News "liberal". That makes me terrified of you.

Tammy Osier

6:05 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Crismafire - there were times when people of God in the bible were instructed to speak the truth to those in power. Generally, it was a warning before God brought judgement onto something. THere was another sermon at a prayer breakfast (that obama was not at but should have been) where a pastor spoke and the words were very convicting and also about a decline in morality and what follows it. It was more of a sermon than a speech, but still just about the same message. I guess people should pray, ask direction and watch what happens. If God was in it, we'll know soon enough.

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Tammy Osier

6:07 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Someone interviewed him, and it made you cry to hear the stories he got from elderly people who are living in this economy. He actually went out among people and talked day to day with them. The more I hear of him, the better I like him.

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Tammy Osier

6:24 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013

Jimmy Orr, not only Rubio but Rand Paul seems to be a common sense man. I believe we may have found some real men, who are not afraid of the establishment and will refuse to bend in the face of it (that's republican as well as democrat). POlitics in washington have got to be stopped. It's costing the American people.

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Avenue D

4:25 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013

I can't believe all the apcray that is being written about this incident. Big deal! Believe it or not, THE REPUBLIC WILL SURVIVE in spite of this incident. Why don't you all sign off and read a good book instead.

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Carrie Klaus

8:42 am on Saturday, February 16, 2013

Farmer
There is a saying"Evil will win when good men do nothing" Or in this case say nothing. And that's what Dr. Carson did. He spoke out against evil. I applauded him for his courage.

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Jennie Maroney

3:42 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

As Dr. Carson said, we are the people, he (Barack Obama) works for us. It's about time we remember that. We don't have a dictator, or a king, or a monarch. We have someone we elected, whose salary we pay and we can darn well criticize him. Thank you, Dr. Carson for reminding us of that.

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David Brown

4:10 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

Jennie, if Ben Carson is the man of faith I believe him to be, I'm sure he spends more time praying for President Obama than he does criticizing him.

Tammy Osier

6:47 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

If he spends time praying for him then he is obligated to speak a message to him if he is led. I believe he was led in this instance. Obama has been referred to as "messiah" and I believe jamie Foxx referred to him as "our lord and savior barrack obama". That is unatural and can be dangerous if he begins to believe his own press. We have to keep our leaders accountable and there are many instances where he has bucked accountability. God is love, but sometimes we focus on that to the exclusion of His warning and rebukes us if necessary (for the purpose of redemption). According to the word, if we won't listen to and obey Him in private, the He will rebuke us publically. That may be what has happened here. We are on the edge of disaster. King David numbered Israel and was punished severely (as were the people for his decisions). God is the same yesterday, today and forever. No one is above being reproached if they need it. Ben Carson is being considered a lightening rod; Got to be a reason for that. He speaks what many are thinking and wish they had the platfom to speak out. He did.
Jennie M., and Carrie K. Well said.

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Tammy Osier

7:21 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

I do love his testimony. Can you imagine what it would be like if people caught onto his message and vision? Instead of the victim mentality and the entitlement mentality, people might think about their fellow man instead of themselves. They might develop an ethic of hard work that would lead to building a company that hires thousands of people. People might rediscover their faith and the church might operate again as it should, taking care of people and teaching them how to fish which might wean them off their dependence on the government. They might begin to say no to their kids and begin disciplining them so that they won't be out running the streets and causing trouble and the kids might start respecting their elders. Wow, for a minute there I felt like John Lennon. lol

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David Brown

7:43 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

Tammy, again we will have to disagree here. The way you and I interpret Scripture is diametrically opposed. God bless you and enjoy the rest of your evening.:)

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

10:07 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

@David

I'm not sure where the interpretation of scripture is so off base in this discussion, perhaps you could describe your perception of concern here.

Thomas Yassu

11:03 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

I read through the comments of those saying Dr Carson was disrespectful, and asked the question why? So I looked for the answer and see it simply comes down to the fact that he had the audacity (according to the Obama lovers) or the courage (according to the Obama haters) to say what he said, WITH Obama in the room (gasp!!!) So, by that logic, to say anything that may disagree with Obama while he is present is disrespectful. So, in other words, you are not allowed to disagree with him publicly when he is there or you are to be considered disrespectful. You are only allowed to say something IF you agree with him, if you don't want to come under some kind of personal attack... which ends all dialogue and makes his ideas the only ideas that matter. Hmmm... think for a minute Dr Carson knew that was coming? Hence, the beginning of his speech.

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Thomas Yassu

11:10 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013

So, I guess you must only talk behind his back, and then your comments will be considered respectful. So... it is more respectful to disagree with someone and talk behind their back than to tactfully say something to their face. Hmmm... not so sure about that one.

My humble opinion is that anyone who attacks Carson for what he said, or attacks his motivations (as if they know), is only throwing distractions in order to support the Obama they worship because they cannot attack the argument of the man who defied him. It is their weak attempt to try and destroy his voice.

LOL folks... too late. It's an act of futility, as oh-so transparent.

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Tammy Osier

11:00 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

Thomas, transparancy - oh yeah! The fact that he was attacked and villified immediately should tell you all you need to know. The truth sets people free and you know there is a political party that doesn't want that! They would have to let go of the power they gain by keeping people dependent on the government. When people are self sufficient, they develop a sense of pride and help others. The government should pick up the tab for what remains after that. The ratios are way off right now. What's really bad (and sad that people can't see it!) is that people are dependent on the government right now, not so much because of personal hardship but the government itself is responsible! If I were into conspiracies, I'd definately see one there. lol But like you said, you can't attack his argument and assessment because it is 100% correct. What's done is done, nad it's my hope that many se thorugh the attacks and think to themselves, "Hmmmm.the man has a point...".

Michel

1:09 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

I have known of Ben Carson for many years I'm sorry to say he is an ego maniac just like so many doctors who play god on a daily basis he put his personal views out like they were scripture he talked about god but god would have approved I think I learned in bible school that vanity is a sin!!!

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Thomas Yassu

11:35 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

Unfortunately, Michel, your comment can't be validated or supported. You don't even have the integrity to put your full name out there to make yourself transparent. Sounds like another one of those weak attempts to villify a man without any actual facts, circumstances, evidence, integrity, transparency, etc... to support your assertion. You've been exposed.

Michel

1:16 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

Thanks for rejecting my comments you just confimed
my beliefs about your blog

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Jennie Maroney

9:37 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

I guess some of you have forgotten how Obama snubbed Benjamin Netanyahu, when they were in New York at the same time. He preferred to go on a television show where the women could all swoon over him. If anyone is disrespectful it's our president. Dr. Carson was merely putting forth his ideas, even though they are totally opposite to those of Obama's (who was obviously not happy at the speech). He was being politically incorrect, which was one of his themes. In other words, telling the TRUTH, something our hack politicians hardly ever do.

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Tammy Osier

9:43 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

Jennie and thomas, I have not seen a president yet that can garner the he-ca-do-no-wrong-in-our-eyes worship. Now and then, I hear an obama supporter that says, "I don't agree with everything he's done but I do agree with..." and think, well at least that person can critique him (good and bad) and come up with an objective decision. You just won't find those people on here...lol

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Tammy Osier

9:59 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

Michel - I have googled him all the way back as far as I could go and found absolutely nothing but praise for him. Apparently he has been known for his integrity as well as gifted hands. Sometimes people mistake boldness for arrogance when they don't agree with someone (or are jealous of them). Apparently, he's the genuine article.

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John B

10:50 am on Monday, February 18, 2013

Any of the "perceived" or spin on disrespect have to do with a black man disagreeing with a black president? Gee...couldn't be could it...............

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Michel

7:21 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

Thomas you say these things about me and youve no idea who I am and you wander why people are afraid to speak
And reveal themselves. As far as Ben Carson I would probably bet you only know of from the Internet and maybe only from the prayer breakfast speech. Well my knowledge goes a little deeper unfortunately I will keep my option of the man private for now unless he runs for office and the my fellow american I will not be the only person to speak.
I'm sorry for up setting you and your fellow republicans
You haven't had much to cheer about lately. It's really amazing how if you guys agree with the message the speaker is quite the patriot who loves god and country . If you don't the the speaker is a godless socialist. And to think I lost my body and mind in war defending your rights and Ben Carson's to speak your mind. That's right Thomas I'm a disabled vet. Gotta go now stay tuned!

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Tammy Osier

7:46 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

Even if Ben Carson turned out to be the devil himself, his message still resonates with those who see the fact of the debt we are in (is a sin), that we the people are concerned when the leader of our country acts more like a king (or dictator) than the man that works for the people,and many other things that he addressed. Those are thngs that decent people are concerned about and have every RIGHT to be concerned about- it is our money and the gov't. is entrusted with it.

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Michel

8:04 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

Hey Thomas I'm back
One more thing ofcourse it was disrespectful but you can't see that because you don't see Obama as the president he's just another black man. He is the president of the united states and he is probably the most disrespected president of modern times I don't agree with all he does but he holds the office and the office should be respected no matter the occupants color I respected the elder bush even though he set me to Iraq the fist time and cost me my life as it was. Well that's enough I don't to make this about you and I however the prayer breakfast was not the venue for this. maybe as a guest on fox news!

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Mr. B

10:03 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

I don't believe there was a draft under Bush 41 so technically you volunteered to go to Iraq. Thanks for your service. Those were difficult times, a military that was not supported by Congress and not allowed to complete their job.

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Thomas Yassu

10:15 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

This is almost laughable. You say that I don't see Obama a the president because I think he's just another black man? FYI, that is you making a claim about my belief system while also insinuating I'm a racist. Wow, Michel, way to further destroy your credibility. Especially considering I'm defending another man in this thread who ALSO happens to be black.

But don't worry. This is typical. Any time anyone is ever perceived to disagree with Obama is immediately attacked with the race card. And that just about summarizes why you are all so enraged with Dr Carson... because he took away your one and only tool.

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Good Grief Y'all

7:42 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Mr. Yassu, you accuse Michel of what you are doing - making presumptions and false statements about people answering the question - topic of this blog. You say, "Any time anyone is ever perceived to disagree with Obama is immediately attacked with the race card." Not true. Many people who disagree with the President are simply right-wing, low-information voters who believe the false propaganda put out against him. They're not all racist. Many are just misinformed and plan to stay that way.

You say, "anyone who attacks Carson for what he said, or attacks his motivations (as if they know), is only throwing distractions in order to support the Obama they worship" This you state as your "humble opinion", but it's an assertion that is also not true. Voting for and supporting President Obama is not worship. Some agree with him to varying degrees. Some saw him as the best candidate over a poor one for the opposite party.

You did make your comments to Michel personal.

The history and tradition of this event is not one of politics. Dr. Carson ignored that and went against the purpose of the event by making it his personal political platform. He went rogue. He and his supporters should expect that he'll be called out for it.

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Chris P

8:50 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Ms. GGY you do realize I took basically what you said and substituted Obama supporter for right wing? I am surprised you didn't see that.

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Good Grief Y'all

9:20 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Mr. P, you underestimate me. I noticed your copying. I'm not surprised you think that is clever, but I am surprised you're looking for special attention for it.

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Chris P

9:32 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Ms. GGY I see that I have long way to go to turn you around.

:-)

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Good Grief Y'all

9:40 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Mr. P, that would be an exercise in futility. I am not a candidate for political conversion by anyone. :)

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Thomas Yassu

11:35 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Got me, GGY. You are correct in that I made an absolute statement, which immediately makes me wrong, so I'll rephrase a bit so you can rest. It is a fact that the racist card was just pulled in this thread, as it is a fact that this is a tool that has been used over and over and over with Obama in office... not by all, but by a great number of others, even politicians and media pundits on live television. So please, let's not try to pretend this isn't at the least a pandemic to our ability to disagree without making the most harsh of accusations.

FYI, I qualified by "humble opinion" statement by... wait for it... wait for it... calling it a humble opinion. Jeez... Meaning, I know it's not fact but a "humble opinion." Good grief, Good Grief, that was not up to par for you.

Finally, I find it amusing that you want to bring up history and tradition as a reason why Dr Carson's comments were inappropriate when we have a president who has disregarded our Nation's nations history and traditions for his own political causes. That's like the incinerated, fully destroyed, melted down to a drop of residue pot calling the kettle burnt.

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Good Grief Y'all

5:31 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Mr. Yassu, nothing on Patch interferes with my rest, though much of it is disturbing.

Pres. Obama is the first black POTUS. It is just as wrong to deny that race is a factor in the discord as it is to call "race card!" when attention is brought to incidents of blatant bigotry. There are undeniably some who do claim racism by others. Personally, I think they are more accurate in that than those who deny it. Let us not pretend it doesn't exist.

Your calling it your "humble opinion" is no shield against said comment being questioned. Your "humble opinion" has it that people who support and voted for President Obama do so because they worship him. It's my opinion that yours isn't so humble. It's as if you and like-minded folks believe that is the only way anyone could be for President Obama. That's absurd and insults the intent and intelligence of the majority of voters in the past election.

The core of this blog and the question posed is whether Dr. Carson disrespected the President by making political comments at an event which specifically has as its
mission to bring the nation closer to God. The speakers are asked to keep politics out of the speeches. It is the tradition and history of the National Prayer Breakfast to steer clear of political content. Dr. Carson disregarded the nonpartisan purpose of the event. He broke tradition.

And, you were unnecessarily rough on Michel.

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Mr. B

6:19 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

It's difficult to keep politics out of the National Prayer Breakfast (actually a number of meetings held at various times and venues) when the invited guests and speakers are Congress, the president, political leaders from throughout the world, even outspoken citizens like Bono.

Political speeches have been the norm for many years all the way back to Viet Nam times. Rev. Jim Wallis, founder and president of the Christian social change group Sojourners and a regular attendee of the National Prayer Breakfast, said of the event "it's sort of a time to — where people want to acknowledge the importance of prayer and faith. And that can be kind of a civil religion, civic faith kind of common denominator thing. Or it can be much too sectarian where some people feel left out of it. I remember Senator Mark Hatfield spoke years ago when I was in seminary and he called the war in Vietnam a national sin and shame in front of Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger. I saw their faces and they weren't happy with that. So when it can raise up issues that we ought to be accountable to, whether we are religious or not, I think that's when it's probably at its best."

It has become so political that Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington asked President Barack Obama and Congressional leaders to refrain from attending the National Prayer Breakfast.

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Good Grief Y'all

6:45 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Scooter pootin' around the fact that this event is not a political one. It would be impossible to have any event in DC without political figures in attendance. The guest speaker is supposed to honor the tradition of keeping his/her speech clean of politics.

There would be no controversy over this mess if it were the norm for the invited speaker to deliver a poltiical address. I think Dr. Carson making political comments detracted from his message. He was posturing for his own benefit.

If the President had not attended he would be lampooned on Patch for his absence.

"Organizers for this event tell speakers ahead of time to steer clear of politics, but Carson apparently "went rogue" on them. I'm told organizers were astonished and disapproving of the critical parts of Carson's keynote address. The breakfast is supposed to bring together people from different political viewpoints and cultures. It is supposed to bridge divides, not widen them."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/02/12/dr-ben-carson-should-apologize-to-president-obama/#ixzz2LOLvFagA

Worth repeating from David Brown's previous post.

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Mr. B

7:48 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I couldn't find any requirements or written requests to use as guidelines for the speech at this event. What I was pointing out was that the speeches have been very political in nature as far back as 1973.

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Thomas Yassu

10:13 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Well said, Mr. B. It would appear that this breakfast has a long history and tradition of speakers doing exactly what Dr Carson did. Kinda takes the thunder out of the sails on that argument.

GGY, I never once said race isn't an issue for some. Never even implied that, so, no need to make an argument against something unsaid or implied. Another red herring. Good effort, though. And, to be honest, it doesn't really matter if you think my opinion was humble or not. Unless you have a doctorate in the discernment of opinion veracity. In that case, I guess your opinion of my opinion is more relevant to my opinion than my own opinion. ;) Reality check, it's not, and it doesn't matter, so maybe drop the side bar to the side bar to the side bar of this thread?

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Good Grief Y'all

6:58 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Mr. Y. My opinion of your opinion matters every bit as much as your opinion of my opinion.

This entire thread needs to drop. Everything relevant to the topic has been said several times by both sides.

Tammy Osier

10:56 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

Thomas, the best defense, is no defense. You're not going to be able to reason with anyone who immediately makes a thread about themselves and their offenses, then when that doesn't work, throws the race card out, and/or accuses you of doing something that they themselves are doing. It's like trying to reason with a child who has a cookie in his hand and swears that it's not a cookie. Then, if realizing that he can't get out of it, blames it on his brother or tells the parent that there's something wrong with them. I've got this liberal rant down pretty well now. It's predictable. Either that or it's the same people coming back under assumed names - lol. Not trying to diss this guy personally, but the mannerisms are just getting old. I'm sick of this familiar game. I just stick to the issues and try to stay away from the personal attacks by not responding to them.
No politician shouldbe exalted above the basic ideals set forth in our Constitution. When we veer away from that and begin idolizing a man, we'rein big trouble. I read a quote today (I'll have to look up who it was) that said, "Hitler was able to do what he was able to do because it was the LAW. That means his government got to the place where they could change the laws and a dictator was able to enact what he wanted because the it was not against the law. We are changing so many things now, going over and above the Constitution, that people have a right to be concerned. We must defend it.

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Tammy Osier

11:00 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013

But as far as respecting the office - yes we should. But the first amendment was written for the express purpose of being able to disagree with our government without fear of imprisonment (please go read up on it). I find it disingenuous that the same people crying fowl on disagreements with the policies put forth in this administration are the SAME people who villified and crucified President Bush to no end (name calling, ugly pictures, attacking his family, calling him a nazi etc..). Not all, but probably most (in general).

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Michel

3:18 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

As for bush I voted for him over Kerry I thought Kerry was a wimp I thought bush was a  down to earth kinda guy but I loss respect when he sent men to die in iraq for no reason and before you people jump me for that I do have an opinion. In his second term I figured we are there so lets finish the job but I hate the way it was handled oh and one more thing this is not a democrat  vs republican  after serving in desert storm i was forced to recieve the anthrax vaccine which destroyed my life And who's name was on my letter William Cohen defense Sec for bill Clinton a democrat destroyed my life.And as far as my credibility my sister spent a number of years working with mr Carson as a surgical nurse. her only remarks on him were he is probably the most talented surgeon she worked with but his ego and self rightous thinking over shadowed his talent in a very negative way. I believe her and feel that's what he showed On the day in question. My apologies if my words were to harsh .But  I do stand by "this was not the proper forum for his statements."As for playing the race card there really is no such thing this country has always been about race an unfortunately for my grand kids it always will it just amuses me any time a black person speaks anything  racial whites  say it's a card game.  I'm also sorry for referring to you as one those Who can't see a black president  but you must agree there are so many out there.

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

3:31 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

I must respectfully disagree about the many naysayers concerning our current president.

The complaining is colorblind, because he has proven that you can foul up big time, regardless of color and be just as good at fouling it up as any while male ever was…

We have arrived at parity, LORD help us all.

Michel

3:24 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

One more thing I guess posting my comments on a conservative web page was also inappropriate . Come on be honest with your selves name one thing Obama has done that you like
Just remember we are all in this together weather we like it or not . I can't post here anymore it's to stressful!!

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

4:00 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

The Patch and its parent Huff Post are hardly “evil” conservative enterprises …

The overriding thing he has accomplished, more than any leader I can remember, is lifting the curtain concerning how our major policy changes happen these days.
Our Senate and House representatives no longer even read the legislation that they claim to champion, because as we saw they “have to pass it to find out what’s in it”

An immortal line to stand for the ages certainly, but it really speaks of how things are supposed to happen, since each chamber is supposed debate and vet its own legislation and then compromise in joint committee to develop a bill for signature.

However, since our current President created the “non written” executive order for routine use, it ain’t just for the CIA anymore baby…
(The old timey way was actually in print so action could be taken later if need be, as long as it wasn’t stored by the old Nixon Era tape deck)

Regarding such things as immigration, border enforcement, or for that matter as to which law will be enforced or not and perhaps what phase of the moon could be used - so the population will know when they could be arrested for doing the illegal thing they’ve done with government acquiesce for awhile.

I salute him for effectively neutering a branch of our government!
(Smiles)

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Ryan Smith

9:44 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

A quick reminder. I've deleted quite a few comments from this thread. Many were deleted because they violated the terms of service. Some were deleted simply because they were in direct response to other deleted comments, and wouldn't make any sense out of context.

The comments section is not a place for personal attacks. They add nothing to the conversation, prove no point, and derail the thread with pointless, petty bickering. We may not catch all of them, but if we do, we'll delete them. This is an interesting discussion, so let's keep the comments germane and free from rancor. Thanks!

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Michel

2:23 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Mr smith I see my final posts were rejected I thought they appropriate but you disagree . Your regular republican viewers can attack my integrity but I am not allowed to respond, this won't be posted but you will read it
Thanks for confining my suspicions.

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Mr. B

4:46 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Michel,
This is really funny because there have been so many complaints filed against Mr. Smith for deleting conservative viewpoints, even blocking conservative posters. And now you are complaining about him blocking your liberal viewpoints. Maybe he is trying to even things out and you were unlucky enough to be his victim.

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Ryan Smith

3:03 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Michel, any posts that were rejected were rejected because they violated the terms of service or because they were in direct response to a deleted post and wouldn't have made sense out of context, not for the political philosophy of the poster. We're always glad to have people of different political views debate in the comments.

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Michel

6:01 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Well thank you for all this civility I really don't consider my self liberal I believe in fair play! I'll just leave with my last statement Mr Carson has the right to his opinion. As a US servicemember I basically gave my life so he would be allowed. However, the prayer breakfast was not the venue for it. In my opinion !

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Michel

6:14 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

One more thing why is Tammy osier allowed to talk about her surgical nurse employer. And I cant talk about my surgical nurse sister who worked directly with Dr Carson
Ummm

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Tammy Osier

7:59 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Let me try this again- I can't type on my phone - lol. I used to be the nanny of a surgical nurse. She was one of five such nurses in the whole south east, they did open heart surgery. She told me that most of them are like that in surgery (demanding, superior-like attitude) mostly because what they do can mean life or death. Luckily, she understood that, but did say that surgeons are the most difficult people on earth to deal with. Kind of like the military where you have to learn to react quickly to a command or someone could lose their life.
And on the other note - Michel, I have had things deleted before. Sometimes we get so caught up in this that we dont see a bigger picture. I made a comment a while back, trying to be helpful, but it was sensitive situation involving real families and I realized my opinion was not helpful so wanted to delete it but couldn't because it stayed pending for a day or two. Finally, it seems that they (Patch) deemed it not appropriate for that post. So they deleted it. It is what it is and it IS their online paper. :) It's best just to have fun debating but remember this is not life altering - it should be fun and informative.

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Thomas Yassu

10:29 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

The book of John, Chapter 5, is the story of Jesus healing a crippled man near the pool of Bethesda. He had been crippled for 38 years when Jesus healed him. The man got up and walked only to be encountered and scolded by the Pharisees because he had the audacity to pick up his mat and walk on the Sabbath. It is interesting how they completely ignored the miracle of his healing and rather focused on what they perceived to be inappropriate because of the timing of the event. In vs 16 it says, "So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jews persecuted him."

Hmmm... makes you think.

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Tammy Osier

11:29 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013

Thomas Y., Someone said that if he is a man of God then he should spend time praying for him and i said, "If he spends time praying for him then he is obligated to speak a message to him if he is led. I believe he was led in this instance." that's akin to what you said. I'd be careful when criticizing the man when he may have been speaking a message to one in a powerful place. The bible is full of instances where God did that very thing- and it always seems to be to leaders. We have to keep our leaders accountable and there are many instances where he (obama) has bucked accountability. God is love, but sometimes we focus on that to the exclusion of His warning and rebukes us if necessary (for the purpose of redemption). According to the bible, if we won't listen to and obey Him in private, the He will rebuke us publically (also biblical). That may be what has happened here. When King David committed adultry a prophet was sent to call him out. No one is above being reproached if they need it. Ben Carson is being considered a lightening rod; Got to be a reason for that. He speaks what many are thinking and wish they had the platfom to speak out. He did. Like I said before Even if Ben Carson turned out to be the devil himself, his message still resonates with those who see debt rising, people out of work, freedoms being trampled on, innocent blood being shed etc... as being ungodly and immoral. People are tired of the media covering up for him.

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David Brown

7:21 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

"Someone said that if he is a man of God then he should spend time praying for him." For the record, I was that "someone", who stands by what I said. Tammy enjoys speaking at people, instead of to them.:) By the way folks, how much time have you spent this week praying for President Obama? Now, how much time have you spent this week criticizing President Obama?

Tammy Osier

12:49 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

No david, just too lazy to scroll back lol

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Tammy Osier

6:56 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Ben carson recently retired for medicine and I think we'll be hearing more from him in coming days. Something that Carson recently said...Carson said people often dismiss black Republicans, like himself even though President Barack Obama and his allies are “trying to destroy the country.”
Carson said if someone wanted to ruin the United States, they “would create division among the people, encourage a culture of ridicule for basic morality and the principles that made and sustained the country, undermine the financial stability of the nation, and weaken and destroy the military. It appears coincidentally that those are the very things that are happening right now."

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David Brown

9:03 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Actually, Dr. Carson announced he would be retiring in 106 days. He is not one of my favorite Black Americans. I prefer him as a neurosurgeon, rather than a political figure.

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Mr. B

10:56 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013

Dr. Carson doesn't subscribe to the victim mentality. He doesn't follow your train of thinking. So, its easy to understand why he is not a favorite. That's really too bad for you because you seem like a genuinely nice guy otherwise.

Tammy Osier

10:05 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Actually Mr. B., these men (Herman cain included) are what the American dream is about. Imagine if they are given a chance to prove themselves. Although, to be fair, I don't know enough about Dr. Carson's knowlege in economics. Cain ran a huge business and rescued failing businesses with good economic principles. But I do like his go get it attitude.
I guarantee if you get the economy going to where a person could work a dignified job and make money for his family, he'd pick that in a heartbeat. It's about opportunity and hard work. When people are blessed like that, they give to charities and your poor people are taken care of. The government takes up the slack from there. That's where we have erred. The government is in the wrong role. I stand by the analogy that Dr. Thomas Sowell of not exalting a man just because he's a first. Obama broke a barrier, and that's great, but hopefully now we can get men in there who are known by what they do and by the courage of their convictions, not by who they are or by their race. We need what's good for this country and being in debt to our eyeballs is not it.

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Tammy Osier

10:40 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

Mr. B., "15 hours / 7 minutes?" I think I know, b ut just wondering. :)

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Mr. B

11:02 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013

David Brown asked how much time I spent praying for Obama this week and how much time I spent criticizing him.

I know, it should be reversed but I'm studying with my prayer group twice a day during Lent so I have more prayer time. And I have a very busy work schedule (partial retirement is a myth) and don't have as much time to criticize.

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